(9) Question from JM Deblois: Two comments I have to point out.
- Impact of the projects. I think we have to mention that the impact of projects are important. For the two running for President and Princess for EVP, how do you make a positive impact for the lives of the students in terms of their current needs—academics. In terms of curriculum improvements, how are you going to do that externally and internally.
- Org empowerment—there are only 2 organisations officially recognised. I suggest you encourage admin to recognise SAGIP, PAL, and AG, and make them independent. Organisational independence is important
What positive impact are you going to enforce as a voice of the Lukan body outside and inside the school?
Princess: I’ve never been to APMC, so i don’t know what they discuss but I think maybe we can discuss about the standardisation of certain curriculum suitable for our generation. More than books, we have to have a standardised curriculum so when we get out of school, makikita natin kung ano ba talaga and kaya natin gawin. I’m going to ask for suggestions from them and bring it to St. Luke’s and suggest things that would benefit St Luke’s.
JM: Just to give you an idea, the laws existing were made in 1959. These laws were made when there was much less information present.
Patpy: Walang nagiinitiate because we all want to reform the kind of education, but it should be well known to the rest of the medical community how archaic this is before we start to make a change. We need manpower before we make a change eh so we can’t change it without support from the rest of the community. I think it’s unfair to ask princess to ask her about amps cause she hasn’t been there at all. I think awareness is first, and then ask for their suggestions and then get a compromise. then if we succeed here, maybe other schools will notice. Maybe di na kailangan idaan sa APMC.
Jon: It’s 2016. We need reform. I would have to backtrack that now I think we need a referendum. The entire body should know this is the curriculum, these are the changes, these are the mechanisms of changes the students can tackle. A referendum is basically present in the curriculum and then we agree. I recognise it should be at the forefront. we can’t just make it the same as an international model. There has to be a standard to make our curriculum more modern, more relevant to our 3rd world.
Lorenz: Platform on curriculum review gonna give one example, in one of our second year subjects we believe as a batch some questions aren’t supposed to be there in the exam. One of the batch mates went directly to the admin to express the concern. If it’s just through paper, it won’t be effective and it won’t be addressed. in what I’m proposing, the students will sit in with lecturers to give their evaluation and comments so it will be more effective. I think that will have a positive impact internally on our curriculum
Patpy: I’d like to add that we have to understand that if you’re asking for a change it’ll take time. It’s also a collective effort na lahat ng data involved doon. Especially on curriculum change.
Jon: Maybe the representation of students in curriculum reviews with the faculty can be the baby steps. If we can progress from there, ‘di lang random students, hopefully we can have the cooperation of the administration. It’ll take time.
(10) From Cheryl Argent: To the externals plus general question, one of the things I have noticed about APMC is that they tend to hold competitions. What are the plans to make forums between APMC that actually advocate change among schools? We need to tackle base subjects that need to be lobbied on a political level. What are you planning to do so we can make all the med schools come together to make a significant change?
Princess: I agree we should start first in the school. It’s hard to bring the problem out if we in our school don’t know what the problem is. From that, we’ll probably introduce it to people and tell them what’s wrong in their schools, then we’ll talk about it in the next meeting, Then from that we can bring it up with the administration of different schools.
CJ: My answer last year was, “I don’t know”. All I could do was ask what the students want re the curriculum, and less that 1 year working with the APMC, the SN can only do so much to change the curriculum because the final decision is always with the association of deans themselves. This year, like what Cheryl said, as a past worker we also saw that when you ask people what APMC is about, they name competitions. I will be coordinating with Princess that the APMC has created special committees that address student interests besides extracurriculars. Including social rights committee, sociocivic committee, etc. Now we can do that in a more aggressive way. For example, we haven’t released it yet pero may survey asking the students asking what they need so we can address that. Hopefully, we can make APMC an organisation that really addresses what students need.
Henson: Reality check, AMPC foundation is composed of doctors and we compose the student networks. So the SN doesn’t see the doctors. It’s hard to get it up to the doctors rin, that’s the reality of APMC. All schools want an advantage over each other, so it’s hard to make a curriculum review. What you can do is propose for a project for APMC and then form a committee to review the curriculum of each school. Regarding policy making, you have to have evidence and research to change the curriculum. It’s hard to do, pero kung gusto niyo gawin, that’s how to do it. Also insurance is implemented, but we’re still getting the documentation from the admin.
Lorenz: You want us to change the curriculum on a national level. For me we have to start in our school. We have to tell our students we have the right. We have the academic freedom in the magna carta for med students. I think students need to know their rights for us to take action. We need to tell the students that we can have meetings as a student body about what needs to be changed inside the school. Matagal talaga yung process, but if we really want to start we need to start in the school. If other schools know about it, I’m sure they’d like to change the system. I think we need to know what needs to be done and then do it as a school. We can give a proposal for a new project wherein the different schools can give their opinion in order to have communication as Filipino medical med students. We really need to inform the students that we have the right to academic freedom.
JM: I’m not saying it will be easy. I just like the idea that SLCM is going to spearhead it on the national level. It’s going to be difficult because you’re dealing with cultural barriers, and I think this is the best way to uphold the lukas brand.
Doc De Ramos: Just so you know, and I hope you know because we’ve been talking about this since 2013, and in our last assembly I particularly spoke about an outcome based curriculum. CHED has recently signed the new CMO for all med schools, and it’s now in effect so all med schools are mandated to follow what’s in that new CMO. Of course it may not be as big as what JM is thinking about, but the meetings of APMC wherein they call the deans and associate deans started back during 2011 and 2012 because there have been a lot of arguments along the way. Thankful for us, we started our curriculum reform back in 2007 and were happy that most of what they’re requiring is already in our curriculum. Unfortunately, I think that’s a reason why it took a long time is because some schools were really arguing against it. Just so you know if you really plan to do these things, you’ll probably already be residents by the time your proposals are passed. But if you’re going to do this, I’m all for it. If someone should start it I think it should be the St Luke’s student. As for the medical act of 1959 I hope you know I was not born yet, and I myself actually stood up and demanded change because it is truly outdated. As far back as 2007. when we were trying to change our internship because we wanted to design a different program unfortunately we were being barred from doing so because it was against the act of 1959. We’re just trying to go around it by giving you electives, but we were really proposing something more, but we were being limited by this old law. If you want to do it go ahead I’ll be right behind you.
(11) From Drei Valencia: For Jon Dy, if you win it would mean that there would only be one member of the former SC if he also wins that would be part of the SC. And there are also a lot of holes that need to be filled be… How would you adapt and lead a very new and very fresh council without stumbling through the first few months?
Jon: I had the same dilemma when I ran in college. We made up for it by recognising that we all have our own deficiencies and we had to recognise it as a council. E.g. we knew nothing about art. We established a dept based SC. We had batch reps because again we don’t know some of the concerns from the past. So yeah, there will be stumbling blocks but we can combat it through very good planning. We employed SWOT based analysis to improve. Advantage is lahat sila passionate. So it boils down to that, we consult with the currents SC, with the admin and with the students about the current issues.
(12) Question to the Sec and EVP: What is your opinion on the performance of the current SC and how do you intend to improve what we already have?
Martin: I think it has reached out to people. But most announcements were late. The problem is not about who [was responsible for disseminating] the late info, but it’s a problem of planning. It would have been a better promotion if things were set from the start. I consulted with Rafa because I had concerns. What I learned from him is that maybe we can plan things from the start of the year. So that we won’t have second thoughts as the event comes near. ‘Yan yung nagcacause ng delay sa information dissemination.
Princess: I must agree I have a problem with info dissemination, but they didn’t leave us during the Christmas party preparations and I really felt that the council is really trying their best to give us support in Palarong Med even if we didn’t know where we were gonna sleep, how we were gonna get there. But hopefully information can be improved so that people can prepare better. And fundraising for our athletes and performers para this year, ‘di na tayo maglalabas ng masyadong pera.
(13) Question to Jon Dy: What was your biggest contribution to the student body last year, and where were you last year? (lol)
Jon: Where was I last year? Any reason I give is irrelevant because I am here now. Of course, I was lucky enough to be invited by the secretary to co-headed the Open House and I think after asked I sent a long list of suggestions for the Open House. It was well attended, and it was successful. I wasn’t always there, but when I was there, it mattered naman.
(14) Question for EVP: Based on your presentation earlier, there is the interbatch patient interaction, a great proposal… how are you going to push this project, and is this going to be part of the curriculum?
Princess: We were talking about it and why don’t we start it during the summer? If a doctor is available, and a second year and a third year is available para may ideas yung upper years that they can pass to the first years and vice versa. If the admin likes that set up, maybe we can integrate it and set a day when the batches can interact.
(15) From Henson Turalde: I would just like to encourage everyone that we don’t just ask what the SC can do for the school, but we should think of what we can give. Actually I think the SC isn’t just a skill issue but a heart issue. Q for the presidents, if you don’t win, what will be your contribution to the school next year? How will you serve? How will you bring honor to your school?
Jon: Automatically, I’ll support Patpy because the leadership position doesn’t define whether you can serve. Maybe I can volunteer in the SC. That’s my commitment. If I lose, I will volunteer, definitely. My goal today is to show you that ordinary students can have ideas for the SC. I will help Patpy to make the necessary changes possible. In all seriousness, Patpy is also a very capable leader and if ‘di ako manalo, I’ll help out.
Patpy: Of course I will support sina Jon Dy and the rest of the SC, especially the Externals and technically walang incumbent na matitira, so as a leader from this current SC it will only be justice to what I’ve done to help out and guide team Externals to make it the same if not better than what we’ve done next year.